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Post Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Phoenix Mars Lander Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

NASA's latest mission to Mars has found clear evidence of frozen water in the martian arctic. While this was not unexpected, it further opens up the possibility that the Red Planet once had, or even still has, the conditions necessary for life to have developed. Whether it ever did develop is another question entirely, one this mission is not designed to answer. But what if life did evolve? What if the lander's robotic arm, digging deeper into the subsurface, turns up unequivocal evidence of past or present microbial organisms? How would you feel?
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Phoenix Mars Lander Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

In the trailer for this program you stated that there was actually a lot of surprise over what has been found on Mars. This surprise among mainstream explorers is no surprise to actual scientists who are not basing their conclusions on a failing dogma about the history of the solar system. Most of the theories being formulated by mainstream science is based on the gradualist, or uniformatarian, school of thought which has been around for several hundred years and has been built up around bias against any suggestion that the determination of planetary history and solar system history can be aided or moved along by references to ancient events that involved planetary and celestial catastrophe, as left for us by all the cultures of the world with ancient roots.

Ancient myth and legend, in addition to rock art and other forms of art are full of clues about a solar system and planetary history, that was far from gradualistic or uniformatarian in process. Petroglyphs match, in great detail, forms created in high energy plasma labs and their orientation around the world has a common viewing direction. What were they witnessing? Ancient legends around the world speak with unison about dramatic celestial events that had tragic consequences to the earth and its inhabitants. Two of the many celestial characters are identified as Mars and Venus. Frequently Venus is spoken of a the star with long flowing hair or as a comet. This potential has been validated, by SOHO, which found that Venus has a filamentary tail that extends almost to earths Plasma sphere. Mars was said to be locked in battle with another planet, Venus and between the two was a snaking stream of material that littered regions of space with debris.
Determining Mars' history within the current school of thought among the mainstream will most likely draw the wrong conclusions if they ignore the eye witness accounts left for our benefit by ancient cultures around the world. Questions about Mars are incomplete if it's recent history is ignored.

The confusion that entered into the world's cultures, that manifested itself as worshipping of the planets as gods, and fear of the violent retribution of the gods if worshipers didn't make ghastly sacrifices of their children and other humans was brought one step closer to the healing of those wounds two thousand years ago with the ministry to the world of Jesus Christ and his earliest followers. Sadly, by AD 350 that effort was hijacked by humans that wanted to hang onto their former false gods which their forefathers adopted and identified as the planets that are now in stable orbits.

You can learn more about the historical record left for us, and current scientific efforts to decipher the clues found in rock art and elsewhere, as you visit; www.thunderbolts.info . But beware, some viewpoints which would make a juxtaposed mistake of the gradualist movement, lumping all ancient references into one category. The gradualists threw out the cultural content, some views expressed at thunderbolts.info limit those histories to be only from a physical perspective. Anyone who has had an encounter with Jesus Christ knows that there is more to the world than just the physical realm. A certain group of ancient people found clarity and guidance during the ancient catastrophes as they remembered what they were taught, about their ancestors walks with God in the garden, and sought out that same relationship.

Now we are faced with a new form of confusion cloaked in the vail of science, but founded on baseless assumsions.

e-s-s

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Phoenix Mars Lander Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The Nova stories about the prior Mars mission where the little rovers are still wandering around are at:

MARS DEAD OR ALIVE & WELCOME TO MARS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mars/

Be sure to read the transcripts at:

MARS DEAD OR ALIVE transcript
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3101_mars.html

WELCOME TO MARS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3201_mars.html

Th problem with the claims about finding "water ice" on with the Phoenix Mars Lander is that it's not supported by the science.

Since the initial public explosion of press coverage, when they released the images about the flecks of white material that disappeared, nothing has been heard. This is the standard hype by the space industry; to make vast claims of what they found, then never follow up with the fact that they don't have a clue what they found.

Mars is a far more interesting place than you think. Here are some links discussing Mars and how Plasma cosmology/Electric Universe explains what the space industry can't seem to understand.

Mars or Earth the Devils are Electrified
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2008/arch08/080114electrifieddustdevils.htm

Martian Dust Devils—Prediction Confirmed
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/071025dustdevils.htm

Electric Dust Devils
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=zg70y10m

Curly Trenches in Mars’ Ice Cap
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050829curly.htm

Martian Butte and Crater
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050926butte.htm

On Mars Things Only Get More Weird
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051116domes.htm

The “Caldera” of Olympus Mons
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050606omcaldera.htm

For more links about Mars go to the Thunderbolts Picture of the Day subject archive and look under the section labeled "Planets-Mars".

Thunderbolts Picture of the Day subject archive
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm

As always, read the links and make up your own mind.

Have fun.
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Great sites explaining Plasma cosmology/Electric Universe are at:
http://www.holoscience.com/
http://www.thunderbolts.info/

A quick summary is at:

Twinkle, twinkle electric star
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=x49g6gsf
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